How does a child perceive its outside world? - Children and Books

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00:00:04: Hello and welcome to the children in books

00:00:08: I am today we're going to talk about how to inspire children with a special design we have another guest today.

00:00:16: It's from Germany from Hamburg and he takes care of all the design parts in our project.

00:00:24: Maybe you can introduce yourself yes hello everyone my name is Jonas I'm living in Hamburg and I'm studying digital design here.

00:00:35: I'm happy to be here thank you come to our post cos I'm very pleased live from Rachel in Scotland and yeah it's lovely to the team

00:00:49: lubina team lubina.

00:00:51: The people who are the people who who you know he's support putting this this wonderful

00:01:02: product out Jonas about digital design and.

00:01:11: Where where where do you start with a project what's what's that such a first creative step we need a text.

00:01:21: And lubina was kind enough to send us the text already

00:01:26: different sized so we've got a small piece of text for each page and with this information of the text we can dance think about

00:01:36: what do we want to show on this page and when we think about children children.

00:01:44: So they are not reading the text they are reading the images so the images should

00:01:49: communicate the same thing as the text are we thought about what is going on at the end of scene on this page

00:01:58: and how can we show our children what is going on in the sea so for example there was a scene on the River Wear a light yellow am I was blowing on the weather of cast

00:02:12: dance show a yellow amateurs on the weather we do not show about or anything else because we do not want any.

00:02:21: Unnecessary stuff in their story

00:02:25: when the parents read out the story loud the children can follow along while reading the image.

00:02:33: And to create the images the first step is to create sketches sketches are usually in black and white maybe with a pencil it can be done even on a piece of paper

00:02:48: play Justice sketch.

00:02:50: We do so touching sketch for each page after that we go to the next step of the process

00:02:59: which is when we shall Ribena all the pages all the sketches

00:03:03: and she tells us if we communicate everything right after this process does the next the Halloween.

00:03:10: And obviously the Halloween is quite easy we just take the schedule.

00:03:15: Put in colour and do some trading so adding lives and shadows and after that.

00:03:22: Booker's basically finished there was a pretty fractured description of how to how to design which is great maybe you can tell something about

00:03:35: but the feelings behind at how do you express the emotions with their pictures and what are you what do you think is most important in illustrations also colours that

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00:03:50: get the emotion someone wants to transport to them yeah that's an interesting question because when we are thinking about emotions

00:04:00: images contain even more emotions than the plain text as if you look at a white page and you'll see lots of a letters

00:04:09: you get don't get any information from that in terms of emotion when you look at.

00:04:17: At work as we can describe a pictures than mice or and which looks happy and.

00:04:27: Think about it like that you can describe happiness in pages and pages of text or you can only show a picture of a happy person

00:04:37: acquired understand the happy person much better than the big text cancer.

00:04:46: Feelings it is mostly about paces and about the arms and legs Howard

00:04:54: nicest standing in the world and and what am I doing yeah but I think that we recognise

00:05:05: the emotions through the picture in a moment and we need to longer when we describe it but it is interesting and important to to find

00:05:17: and that's why we need.

00:05:19: The picture and we need a description or two to give some possibilities how to say it.

00:05:29: I think it's important Rachel what are you thinking about all of this topic well I'm thinking that

00:05:40: it's almost like what we were talking about with Jamie in the last podcast about these different languages and the text.

00:05:48: Is one way of communicating the story and the and the illustrations are another way of communicating so.

00:05:57: And both together give us a bigger picture give us a abroad.

00:06:03: And multi-layered so it may be that

00:06:09: some people communicate or understand better through the picture like Jonas was saying in terms of children they might notice little things in the picture that they don't cognitively the stand.

00:06:22: In the text.

00:06:23: And so the layers of meaning are communicated through both and so both are really important aren't they.

00:06:34: So we could say different languages in somewhere.

00:06:40: That's a nice point of view.

00:06:46: And so you know see the illustrator the Beano said is.

00:06:53: Is is not is not in Germany so the dealer straighter is is not somebody that you can you can speak to.

00:07:02: So how do you communicate with the illustrator of the of the book singers were talking about communication and how we and they might have another first language other than.

00:07:15: The language that the book is written in as well so how do we how do We Overcome these these communication hurdles.

00:07:25: I don't think that coming in cages that big of a problem because and we can white everything down obviously and when

00:07:37: example we gave the illustrator details and description of what he should.

00:07:44: And we gave him the information on which text the time.

00:07:48: This image.

00:07:54: Take out all information he needs everything that the text says to also contain in the image.

00:08:01: Number one and number two father round when they are ours or I didn't understand something and we can include some picture find on Huawei.

00:08:15: Somewhere maybe the internet we find a picture of a special thing which is only available in Germany and send them over this picture so he knows what we talked about we had this case once.

00:08:29: Read the Illustrated didn't know what we are talking about and we as a destination team,

00:08:36: how to translate it to English from German and from English to the native language of the other so we just sent a picture of.

00:08:48: It was totally interesting because it was a question of white wire why are where's Rivers going to Ayr.

00:08:55: For me it was all the time a picture in my head so I wrote down please there is Soraya and what is happening there.

00:09:04: Watch what we get a sister Dolores where the pictures there was something totally hours which showed me.

00:09:14: He lives in another culture

00:09:16: don't know what I think with it this was on some point for me so interesting to see this different different in cultures we met with our international Project.

00:09:31: Yesterday we had an interesting conversation with with Nadine Nadine was in the German version of our podcast and it was about 11 it was about if

00:09:45: movies of pictures or land on different.

00:09:50: Perceive by children then text that's a really interesting question also for this part now it what do you guys think in what way

00:10:00: does a child develop an understanding of a picture or an infection How Does it stink of I've got an example from University on this point

00:10:12: show us different pictures of naked woman on.

00:10:19: Weather on an engine

00:10:22: is where you can put in some stuff to eat or maybe some water and this picture was showed two children and the children that.

00:10:33: Dicks and dolphins on the

00:10:35: container there because they didn't know the image that we from had a different information with a thing

00:10:47: and do the same thing for somebody with an on the telephone.

00:10:55: Maybe 20 years ago at work was not like our mobile phone today it had different keys where you can put your finger in and turn around

00:11:06: and a children today would not recognise this as a telephone always depends on what you know already.

00:11:15: Yeah that's really interesting isn't it because I think this so there's this.

00:11:22: Age differences from different generations.

00:11:26: Like the example of the mobile phone and there's also cultural differences in terms of what you know what a we're is in.

00:11:36: Germany or an England and how that translates to to another to another culture as well and our understanding about that but in terms of children's Diwali.

00:11:48: I think it's really interesting what you were saying join us because it's about the constructs that we have.

00:11:57: And the social constructs that are created within our cultural.

00:12:04: World's and you know that's that's within our education systems and with our sat within our family systems as well and.

00:12:15: All these things and I'm sure you know as a designer.

00:12:18: These are very big part of of your of your world now of working and you need to be thinking about these so that you can produce images that will catch a people's attention.

00:12:34: Totally right new native.

00:12:40: What do you think affects the development of a kid.

00:12:45: In terms of in terms of design and perceiving an image.

00:12:51: I think they're singing is when you see a picture you remember it and when and it depends which pictures you see as a trial.

00:13:02: I think too what you develop in which direction what is nice for you or with what is what you know.

00:13:11: What does new for you for me yes another question interesting to.

00:13:18: You designed a lot of very nice designs for our podcast and homepage.

00:13:27: Where do you get your inspirations from for design or design processes always

00:13:34: how to describe so we search for inspiration and we're doing this in multiple ways we are looking at what is over the existing podcast covers in book covers and other people

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00:13:52: Dear staff and what are they doing to communicate the message of hey we are children's book and Publishing and,

00:14:03: I said down together with panko and we had to look at interest which is a really nice platform to get inspiration

00:14:12: and then we thought about what is what are we doing what is our way of doing things and.

00:14:20: What do we communicate

00:14:22: found out that we tell stories and result is always some kind of journey and so visual design I thought about and

00:14:34: about a flying which is also developing

00:14:37: who is taking a Johnny and she's flying around exploring the word exactly like it so when it kid is going through the book and enjoying the journey.

00:14:51: Going around in the book Tamworth like a development which is a nice thing for butterfly.

00:15:02: And how do you decide then when you see a lot of things how is the decision coming to you all this I will take.

00:15:12: I don't know how to describe it and how the decision can it is just that you have intuition.

00:15:23: That's maybe the answer to this question designers one part of a knowing things and three parts of intuition.

00:15:33: Und.

00:15:34: I know what somebody is thinking when looking at my work and how to describe other work is not

00:15:43: not for me it is just like for you if you describe a picture that I can already know what you are describing on this picture.

00:15:52: Did this answer your question to me now yeah yeah and from us a question when you just now studying it design.

00:16:01: What what can you how is it is it possible to study or do you need to have it inside or you don't have it.

00:16:09: Its practice it was only practice I guess and

00:16:16: example of today's lesson was really that our 1pad the knowing technical staff about design and 3% reason

00:16:29: this is why he says we just have to practice a lot and we should do and design process and get feedback and talk about the design with each other and professor

00:16:42: yeah thank you so you sort of training your intuition or your emotions is this right.

00:16:51: Not really emotions because we when we design we are only part-time based on emotions.

00:17:01: About what is visually appealing and what is communicating visual you

00:17:12: you you try to get a certain outcome and to understand how it's happening.

00:17:20: Yes exactly and when I design anything it is most times 5 sketches and only

00:17:28: even five steps to not work and I have to do my sketches until I find a sketch that works and it's communicating what I want.

00:17:38: Yeah yeah yeah yeah kind of training to go on to stay with it.

00:17:44: Yeah and the training also to recognise when you've got it right and kind of recognising it and say that's the one and I really appreciating what you're saying actually gave us because I just started doing

00:17:57: a film making course and but I notice everything around me in

00:18:03: sharper detail now and start looking at things with in Uno start making frames to look at things in and imagine,

00:18:13: as you were talking there what you were describing was about well seeing what else is out there seeing what other people have done before looking,

00:18:22: you know what your audience is attracted to.

00:18:25: And and what they're looking at at the moment and possibly what they looked at in the past and being able to think about well where is it going to go in the future so kind of predicting that as well.

00:18:38: Dad and design our door.

00:18:43: There's something new that I buy a new book I'm always analysing cover design even if I don't want so I'm learning whenever I see something new

00:18:55: when I see design when I see design even if I don't want to see you

00:19:00: example in a twin of course they are posted they are advertised that everything and I analyser.

00:19:08: I'm doing it another way then somebody who's not working in this industry

00:19:14: when you open your are you when you open your eyes you start to analyse because we are full of designs everywhere you have to be really mindful.

00:19:32: I don't know if this word contains everything that is it is about designing ok ok great alright by where is 23 minutes now

00:19:45: recording time and now we can go to the Ultra.

00:19:52: Maybe do you want to do an Outro again

00:19:56: thank you so much Eunice I think you opened a bit our eyes and our knowing about

00:20:03: what design is about a little bit one little step and thank you so much for our journey together

00:20:11: and I like to say goodbye to everybody who is listening to us.

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